thanks for watching "360" have a great weengd. "cnn tonight" starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> and this is "cnn tonight" i'm aaron burnet in for don lemon this evening. we have two big breaking new stories. we're learning michael cohen, trump's personal lawyer, took out line of credit giving him access up to $747,000 during the presidential campaign, this is according to the wall street

journal and president trump knew about the hush money to stormy daniels and knew about it months before he told the american people in the blunt two letter word, no, he didn't know about it on air force one. i want to bring in ryan and ryan liz zoe. and van jones the host of the "van jones show" political lapr start with you. according to the "new york times" they're citing three sources. the president knew about the payment and knew about it months before he denied on air force one knowing about it, which means we now know donald trump lied to the american people about this. >> yes. aaron, you're absolutely right. we can absolutely say if these stories are correct the president did lie, and lie is a strong word in washington. the president on board air force one talked to reporters. reporters specifically asked him, and it's on tape, with his

own words, him saying, he knew nothing about it. and now, indeed he knew about it months ago. this goes to the president's credibility, the trust factor and it also is a piece into this investigation by robert mueller that's following now the trail of money. this is not good for this president at all. there's a lot on the line with this. and we just have to wait and see how this plays out. but the president, indeed, if these reports are true he indeed lied to the more than people and the reporters who were covering him that day. >> let me play that, the president's denial on air force one. it was very explicit. let me play it. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> then why did michael cohen make this if there was no

obligation -- >> michael was my attorney, you'd have to ask michael. >> it cannot be any clearer than that. did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. no. that was not even one month ago. we are now learning from new york sours he knew months before he said that. >> well, listen, when he said it he was either lying or confessing to a kind of arrangement that was be so bizarre. i'm either lying to you or i'm telling you i'm such a sleazy person that i have a big bucket of cash and a lawyer that wonders around paying people off because my live is so terrible. >> i know we did this but maybe or maybe not i knew it was too a miss stormy daniels. >> exactly. so when he said it, this man is either lying or his life is so sleazy he can't keep track of

all the people he's having to pay off for sleazy behavior. i don't know ifful better knowing he's a liar or before thinking he was a sleazy guy. >> ryan, we heard him right? did you know about the $130,000 payment? no. no period, that's the president of the united states. by the way, here he is today when asked again, do you have anything manufactuore to say on daniels and whether you knew anything about the payment and if you reimbursed michael cohen for it and guess what the president said. he answered this way. >> how do why did you change your story on stormy daniels? >> we're not changing any stories. all i'm telling you is that this country right now is running so smooth and to be bringing up that kind of crap and witch huntds all the time that's all you want to talk about -- >> you said four times you did

not know anything about the payments. >> you take a look at wlabs. you go back and take a look you'll see what i said. >> we did ryan. we looked at what he said, he said anybody asking these questions is a load of crap and we're not changing any stories. this seems to indicate that was a lie, i don't know what other word you use for it. tonight it seems to be pretty clear. >> it's a lie. something made the statement trump is no so much a liar but a bser. a liar knows when they're lying. a bser doesn't know when they're lying. they're constantly saying what they think to get them out of that circumstance in the moment. it's a constant stream of in the mment thinking with no regard to facts or reality. i think that's not a bad way to think about trump in the way he reacts to these kinds of

questions. he's a bser. >> some might say you're dancing around using another word. let me bring in michael sheer right now. he ones us on the phone. michael, this is pretty stunning. i want to get the bottom line here. you're reporting less than a month that the president on air force one asked if he knew about the stormy daniels payment? he said no. you're saying that in fact was false. he did know about it and he knew about it months before? >> right. that's exactly right. hi, aaron. the sources we have talked to today tell us that, in fact, the president knew about the payment, physically about the payment from his lawyer, michael cohen to stormy daniels, stephany clifford, the actress who performed as stormy daniels, that he knew michael cohen made the $130,000 payment to stephany clifford months before that --

that scene that you played now  on air force one in which he was asked. sometimes we as reporters ask questions in ways that we go back and think, gee we could have asked that more directly or gotten an answer. i think we've all seen that was pretty clear. what our sources tell us that at the time that he made that statement -- before he made that statement that he knew full well the existence of that payment. >> okay. and so, now let me ask another question to this point. when you say months before the air force one statement, that air force one statement was -- i'm going off the top of my mind, i believe somewhere around april 5th. now you're saying months before, which means -- but you're not specifically saying when, but you are saying postelection or are you not 100% sure? >> well, so, look, i think as with much of the reporting that

we've all been doing over the last 15 months, this is a process right, and i want to be clear on not going further that we do know. there's a lot of thing we don't know, it is not clear. i mean, you know we are not clear in terms of the sourcing that we have, exactly when he learned of the payment but we know it was well before the air force one incident, you know. my sense is that it may have been well long before that but i don't want to go beyond what we know. >> i'm just trying to make sure, when you say months so we understand the reporting fully. what you're saying is he knew a long time before. and it could have been before the election or maybe after the election. you're not trying to weigh in on post or before the election it's just that he knew a long time before he said he didn't, right? >> right. rudy giuliani addressed some of this question about for example

when the the reimbursement started. we believe it started after the election. it's probably that's when the president found out but i don't want to exclude the possibility he may have known before that too. >> michael you're reporting this. you've got deeply reporting with your excellent team on it, you're also -- this is no single source thing, you've got three people close to this who are telling you this and aware of the facts right? >> right. and i'm fully aware that when you write a story to its definitive, even if we have five sources, ten sources or 30 sources, i fully am aware of what president and his team are likely to say or could say, because we've seen the history of it. they push back, they attack. all i can say is we believe that to be the case. >> and from here, michael, then what is next in terms of where you all are? right, just a matter of coming

up with the exact date. >> right, i think there's a lot more to learn. i think, what was the exact date that he found out, how did he find out, who told him, what was the level of detail that he knew. you can imagine a kind of range of information, either he knew the kind of big outlines of what happened or was he immaterially aware. sort of all the details of how the payment was made, et cetera. i think that's all of the kind of reporting target, not only -- but my guess is in newsroom across the city. >> mike let me make sure, because i want to get to van's point. van had said it's possible he knew the general outright or the people similar to storm daniels are being paid off all the time, or does it mean that he specifically knew it was stormy daniels, her name and the specifics of the case? and obviously when we get into,

you know, what word we're going to use the describe him, that matters a lot. are you reporting specifically he knew it was stormy daniels, he knew the specifics about the name and the situation or are you not sure? >> we are reporting that he learned of this specific payment and that he learned that mr. cohen have made the payment and was successful in doing so in keeping both specific allegations from miss daniels from becoming public at the time. >> all right, so it did involve a name and specifics. >> right. >> okay. >> how much detail of that he knew beyond what i just said i think is still unclear. >> michael thank you very much for laying this out and being so clear and transparent with us. van, let me give you a chance to respond. obviously saying there are some questions about what he knew but he knew it was $130,000 and it was to stormy daniels. that's pretty specific.

again he was asked specifically did you know about the payment to stormy daniels and he said no. they're claiming he specifically knew those things. >> here's the things i'm baffled by. donald trump had an affair with this porn star and he tried to pay her off, that's what happened. now, the reality is that he could probably just come out and say that and we'd be done with this thing. his base is not going anywhere. it's like his base doesn't care that he doesn't have ethics, they all know, there's not a single trumpers person that youn find that would say they don't believe there's something to this whole affair situation. we're in that weird world where in the one hand donald trump is a bs 'er and -- a bs'er and he

said he can shoot somebody and not -- why do we have to go through this? >> april why? >> van's right. we talk to evangelical leaders who said if it happened before the election we're done with it. this happened before the election, the alleged affair and the pay off, why is he lying about it? >> you know why he's lying about it, because he is the president of the united states and he wants to assume this presidential stance, even if it's this new modern presidential stance. donald trump has never -- president donald trump or donald trump candidate or civilian never denied, that i know of that he had a relationship with stormy daniels. even sarah huckabee sanders said that it was many arbitration. the issue is, was she paid off before the election. many people, many of these evangelicals, the people who support donald trump, who believe in the bible and talk

about thou shall not commit adultery, thou shalt not bear false witness, that you shall not lie, that you shall not kil it's amazing how they stand there and turn a blind eye to this president. one of my beliefs is he's progun, he's against abortion. the pillars of this republican party turning a blind eye toward all of his other stuff but he's standing up for these issues. and that's wrong. the president of the united states is -- no whaert what you want to do is a moral leader of not just this nation but the world. it seems like he's fallen down a bit on some of that morality. >> brian, to oversimplify this but to put it in some stark

questions. the question of did president trump lie to the american people when he said he didn't know about this and is there an election violation? we now know he lied to the american people, you can use the word bs, whatever you want to use. he was asked directly and did not tell the truth. the fec violation is still an open question. he said months could refer to not just two or three it could refer to significantly before. they do not know if he knew about this before the election. >> yeah. i agree with van about how baffling it is that they don't understand that the easiest way to move past this is just to put out a few sentences in clear english of what happened. i mean, does anyone think it's off brand for donald trump to have had a one-night stand with someone? i hate to say its -- >> no no no. >> his supporters knew who he

was. -- >> that is the brand that was part of the brand. >> absolutely. now, he may have personal reasons, he was married at the time, he had, i think his son was just born, so that's probably not a fun conversation he wants to have with melania, but to go through this -- you know, we had the cohen statement and what he said and he tried to separate trump from all this, and then to go to the redick lusness with giuliani speaking off the cuff. and now trump trying to clean it up today but not clearly, just give a few sentences about what happened. i suppose -- i don't think anyone believers it -- but i suppose he can stick to his denial that the fair itself is made up and he could say, but, he thought the allegation was so damaging that he had to enter into this agreement. but, it's just so strange that

they just don't stick with a single story. >> all right all of you stay with me. as you've raised that question, if you admit storm, do you need to admit anything else? we got breaking news tonight by cohen the one who paid off daniels. we now found out from the wall street journal he took out three quarters of a million dollars in loans during the 2016 campaign. for what? we'll be back. plaque psoriasis can be relentless. your plaques are always there at the worst times. constantly interrupting you with itching, burning and stinging. being this uncomfortable is unacceptable. i'm ready. tremfya® works differently for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.

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. and more breaking news tonight, "the wall street journal" reporting this our that michael cohen, president's attorney who is under investigation in district of new york. took out a cash loan during the presidential campaign. joining me on the phone is rebecca davis o'brien. your headline here rebecca is this all happened during the election, during the campaign when donald trump announced candidate for president, michael cohen suddenly gets access to how much cash? >> well -- thank you for having me on first of all. and it's about 3 quarters of a million dollars through two financial transactions. and our story, reporting new facts about mr. cohen's personal financial dealings it raises

questions being considered by federal law enforcement about how michael cohen is raising cash in 2015 and 2016 and working good with that money, and whether it violates any laws. >> so, you got three quarters of a million dollars, he has the ability to use this money now right, for mortgages, increasing lines of credit, et cetera. tell me what you understand from how this money was used? i believe you are saying the stormy daniels payment was part of this $774,000. what do you know about the rest? >> well, we know that, yeah, he said he used an equity line of credit to make a payment to stormy daniels right before the election, the question is what happened with the rest of the money? i noticed the line from the white house on giuliani has changed over the past 72 hours, but what did he do with that money. those are questions that you know that media are looking at

certainly but prosecutors are also looking at. >> right and this is part of a trail, right. to your knowledge, i just want to make sure your bottom line is, you don't know for sure if this go to other women and nondisclosure agreements that is not clear at this point. if in fact the money was spent or where it was spent, but part of it, you do know was spent on the porn star, stormy daniels? >> correct. we know that mr. cohen had brought leeway to resolve problems for president trump. we don't know where the rest of that money went to, basically. >> all right, that's the big question. the fact that you've broken he has this amount money is relevant today and we appreciate you taking the time for coming on and explaining your reporting from us. thank you. >> back with the panel. van, your reaction? >> this is just crazy, it's just

crazy. >> that's a clear reaction. >> who in the world goes and just hands their lawyer almost a million bucks and just says, just in case some people accuse of me, i don't know, sleeping with them. just hand them out the money. i just don't think the american people are letting it register. if you had a relative in your life that conducted themselves in this way, i just kind of have a friend that passes out money to solve problems for me because i have that many problems, you would call someone, you would want help for this person, you would not want this person to be the commander and chief. this is insane. none of this makes sense. i know lots of business people, i know lots of celebrities, i don't know a single person that just has a random lawyer walking around with access to cash to solve problems with them. maybe a mob figure, but i don't know any. this is absorbed, it's insane.

how is this happening? i'm sorry, this is -- >> and yet -- >> this is ridiculous. >> and yet it's happening. i think -- and april it kind of makes rudy giuliani makes sense to me. everybody said, what was that crazy interview, that interview was rudy giuliani. he came out and offered it out there that he repaid stephany clifford, maybe because he knew all this stuff was going to break and he poorly, but tried to get to be the guy to break it. >> yeah. right. let's say this, i'm not going to give rudy giuliani all of the insanity umbrella for that, i'm just going to say it is some -- some of what has transpired is starting to make sense. the question is, and van is

discuss singt with this. this is not normal. and van is right, who has an attorney that does that kind of thing? if they do have an attorney, that attorney is not ethical and there is a chance for that attorney to be disbarred. it looks like cohen can wind up being disbarred. there are some issues here on the table. the bottom line is you got to follow the trail of money, and that's the big question, where did all this money go? we've heard about people being paid off for various things. why pay these things off during the campaign time? this is be a major fcc violation. it is not just a slap on the wrist, this was something to change the course if this money was used to pay people off to shut them off so the information would not go out so the american people can understand who they were voting for for president.

this could change the course for the 2016 election. paying people off. making it rain financially. >> in a sense what does this tell us to the point you all been making although this is explicit payment and action -- >> it's not normal. >> ryan, the report of hearing the story and wall street journal, cohen used an amount on a bank credit line to tie to his apartment, that was when trump won the new hampshire timing, february 2015. i'm just doing the math, you take $774,000, you divide it by $130,000, which is the am stormy daniels and i get, 5.59 women. i'm sim simply making the point if it was used for that, would have been made to multiple people? >> first thing it's not illegal to take out a home ecquity line

of credit or a mortgage. but if you are someone who has said one of your home equity line of credit was taken out to make a payment like this, then of course these loans become really really interesting. kudos to the wall street journal, that i have been head of this story from the beginning. one question i think it raises though, is we have two stories here. we have one story of michael cohen saying i did this stuff sort of because i knew the kind of work that had to be done, i didn't always have to tell the boss about it, right. the suggestion now by the wall street journal, we don't know this for sure but i think we have to be careful. the suggestion is he was trying to become liquid to make sure he had a stash of funds available. this is one theory here, to take care of these kinds of situations. on the other hand, we have the

giuliani trump line that oh, we were paying him these huge retainers to do this kind of work. maybe they fit together if the retainers were after the fact to pay him back. that's the -- one of the mysteries. the other thing in the new york times article just to go back to the cash, they raise the interesting idea that the money to pay back cohen was coming from -- may have been connected to the trump organization itself. if that's true, then you got the southern district of new york with sort of its nose into the trump organization, not just michael cohen and that opens up a whole new world. remember previously trump said if mueller was looking into the trump organization he would consider that a violation. >> it is interesting though, van, the president's best defense at this point to say, for example that he didn't lie about stormy daniels, would be actually to seize on the sexual

stre wall /* -- wall street journal to say, gosh, well it happened with so many women so i don't remember. to get out of one situation you have a much bigger situation somewhere else. >> that's where the president is overall. legal peril over, he try to get out of that and creates a legal peril here. that's what happened when you lead a sleazy life. the normal question someone would ask, how much dirt are you doing, how much dirt are you doing that you need almost a million dollars to get yourself out of it? stormy daniels got a little bit of money and opened her mouth. who didn't open their mouth? what else is there out there? once you've traced down all this money, assuming it all went out the door, i'm afraid. what has this president been

doing? >> don't be afraid let it come. >> van has amazing show tonight, air next installment, talking to activist/actress tr activist/actress tracey ellis ross. >> this is diana ross's daughter who is a star in her own right. she tells stories about diana ross. we have so much crazy news, we can't squeeze it all in. we got a show again tomorrow night. we talk about integrity, but my goodness, where are we? how much dirt has this guy been doing? >> that is true. when you talk about your show i think there's a lot of room and appetite for people to hear thing uplifting. that's tonight at 11:00 with van. when we come back. much more on those

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this report that president trump knew about the hush money payment to stormy daniels months before he said he didn't on air force one. that report is from the "new york times," i want to bring in former u.s. attorney, guy lewis. analyst judy, and manu raju. guy, let me start with you, from a legal perspective we were talking about how there were a couple of crucial things here. one, did the if the lie to the american people. the answer to that is yes. if the "new york times" reporting is accurate, he knew about the payment and asked on air force one about it, he said he did not know about it. what are the legal inner cases of this to you? >> and i think what's interesting is the information coming out about a money trail. look, as a prosecutor we would be subpoenaing all kinds of

documents, the loan documents, the papers, anything that would have been filled out as cohen went to the bank or went through the process of trying to obtain the loan. we one looking at that and studying it and see if there's any misstatements, any kind of bank fraud. the other thing that's kind of interesting here, arounaron, wew that rod rosenstein, whose kind of overseeing both of these prosecutions, although one's been run obviously out of new york, he's told the president that at least as of now he's not a target of an investigation, certainly will mueller investigation. but he'd know about the new york information as well. i'm just not really sure as a prosecutor how that sort of plays into that. >> let me just again for everyone so that we all understand, the air force one, april 5th, not even one month

ago. this is when he was asked if he knew about the payment. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> no. no. >> why did michael make it if -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> okay, so rena doe what are the everyoimplications here? obviously that was a false statement. what legally is the issue here? you got possible election issues, possible bank fraud, but what are the legal implications that can threaten this president? putting aside whether the american voters care or not. >> right, lying to the public or the press is not a crime. what we just saw the president do, observes it's sad it no longer surprises us that the president is lying, but unfortunately that, unforceable how ever your perspective is that's not a crime. so the issues here legally are

first of all this is obviously going to hurt his credibility in the stormy daniels' litigation and draw him back into that litigation. originally the president's position was, i didn't know anything about anything. i don't know anything about these payments so i don't need to come in, i don't feed to be disposed, you don't need any discovery from me because i don't know anything. now, it's going to be much harder for him to get away from a deposition in one case. another thing is, obviously michael cohen is under investigation relating to these payments. you just had a segment a moment ago about the wa"the wall stree journal" story. there's a lot of investigation there. the president's going wind up being a witness there, there and out as you can tell, there's a good reason why the president's lawyers don't want him being questioned because he's somebody who doesn't always tell the truth and can be easily caught in a false statement.

>> i think there's also, juliet the reality that he's also not told the truth to at least some or if not all his lawyers. certainly not everybody and not all the time. >> that's exactly right. rudy gillian issues maybe a correction or clarification was somewhat irreprehensible. now we know the president actually lied. we don't need the clarification of the clarification, we just now know that the truth was that he did know about the stormy daniels' case. we were told at the beginning of the week that donald trump's new legal team was going to take the glovers off and go after mueller and these investigations. by the end of the week it's like the wheels are off, not the glover. you have no idea of what the theory of what they're trying to do is except for try to make us all so tire requested confused

and they're hoping maybe everybody run out of steam. the problem for them is these cases are already in court. there's already indictment and deals. this thing isn't stopping no matter how much chi yos they create outside. >> manu, what's the -- to go against this president. now on this issue, he has proven to have not told the truth, very clearly, okay, this is a political question, to the american people. does this change any of the calculus are ranking file republicans on capitol hill? >> we were talking about a legal fall but there is a political fall out. yes, a number of trump supporters won't care about this, a significant portion of trump supporters, we saw at the nra convention, he -- his base in spite of this. particularly the one thing they don't want to be talking about

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more breaking news on a very busy friday evening. rudy giuliani now sis he don't know what the president trump knew about the payment to stormy daniels. he didn't know whether there are other deals like that or whether michael cohen is still paying stormy daniels. i want to bring in analyst josh who helped us break the story,

joining us on the phone. it's amazing josh, you got rudy giulia giuliani changing the story again. >> what we don't know according to rudy giuliani now is exactly when the president became aware of the payments, when he became aware there was a $35,000 check he sent to michael cohen, over month was being partially routed to storm daniels or pash partially paying to stormy daniels. what giuliani told us partially was that michael cohen and donald trump had an arrangement. and it was built on trust, according to giuliani. there was relationship was michael cohen handle maybe any unseemingly or difficult parts

of his life back in new york. once he became president he was going to continue pay off the debt of what michael cohen had done in the past. >> so, josh, what do you know about why gillian shifted his story so much about what president trump knew and when he knew it? just in the past days, you had three interviews, other interviews, now he's telling you something different? >> well the news interview on wednesday night was startling to many in the white house. it seemed to be the only person who knew what he was going to say on the air would be president trump. in that conversation he delineated private conversations with the president which could possibly jeopardize attorney/client privilege. he gave new reasons why james comey was going to be fired, it was because he would not tell him, hey, you're not under investigation. that's in contrast to the reason

that the white house given publicly. and rudy giuliani said a number of thing closer to the truth than we'd heard before. they were pretty outside the box of what we had known. what rudy told us tonight, the campaign lawyer looked at this doctrine, the president doesn't have any legal liability and he basically wants to get the facts out. he wanted to say, $35,000 payment, here's what they were for and here's what's happening. we don't know all the facts, all we know is what he's telling us. you have to imagine the district of new york, bob mueller the special counsel is further going delve into this. >> thank you josh dossy. i want to bring in manu raji. you have some news tonight. >> yeah that's right.

we reported today about how we learned about his demand from the justice department to get some key documents, a short memo that describes the wide russia investigation started at the fbi, after he was . >> he went to the justice department headquarters and he refused to actually read the documents. in fact trey gowdy read the documents instead and staff members did instead. a lot of criticism from people who say that perhaps nunes is not actually searching to learn all the nuances of this very complex investigation and tries to sew doubt into why the investigation is going on in the first place. just moments ago he was on fox news, asked specifically about our story. he did not refute the story. in fact, he dodged questions

about it. he said he did not want to talk about the process and said, quote, these are process games. >> thank you so much for that, manu. when we come back a federal judge today say heeg believes bob mueller special counsel is using paul manafort's case to get president trump. the president's reaction next. plaque psoriasis can be relentless. your plaques are always there at the worst times. constantly interrupting you with itching, burning and stinging. being this uncomfortable is unacceptable. i'm ready. tremfya® works differently for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. with tremfya®, you can get clearer and stay clearer. in fact, most patients who saw 90% clearer skin at 28 weeks... stayed clearer through 48 weeks. tremfya® works better than humira® at providing clearer skin and more patients were symptom free with tremfya®. tremfya® may lower your ability to fight infections,

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this is not some flaming democrat, okay. this is federal judge saying this. how significant is it? >> anytime you're a special prosecutor in court and the judge in his black robe sitting six feet above you looks down and balls from monday night football and says come on, man, that's not a good day for the prosecutors. >> renaldo, how unusual was this for a judge to do this and go on at such length accusing the prosecutors of basically doing all this to get at the president? >> this is very, very unusual. i wouldn't be surprised if they're in the back sort of thinking maybe a motion to recuse. i guarantee you they're talking about that right now. >> renado? >> what i would say it's unusual. apparently not from this judge from what i hear. he's really created an appearance he's unfair and politically biased and really a

problem in a high profile case like this. >> julia, what does it mean? >> i don't think we know yet. there's been no ruling and maybe he wants to challenge mueller's prosecution team. i think it's unique. i think we have to reserve judgment until there's an actual ruling. mueller's team has to come back with the investigation. >> they have to come out with unredacted full remit that the judge had. thanks so much to all of you. thanks to all of you for watching us. don lemon will be back on the chair on monday. and coming up next the excellent van jones show. from paying too much on their car insurance. hey, there's cake in the breakroom... what are you doing?

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